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DRSOOLERS ( member #85508) posted at 7:07 AM on Tuesday, October 21st, 2025

Otherwise, what’s the point?

To me, the answer to your question lies in the simple, brutal reality of survival. Suggesting that staying with someone who committed infidelity—a form of emotional abuse—is "special" or "romantic" is not only misleading but potentially dangerous.

This isn't to say that marriages can't survive, but it gives far too much credit to an inherently abusive act.

If we view cheating for what it clearly is—a form of abuse—would we apply the same romanticized description to a man who finally learns to stop hitting his wife? I certainly wouldn't. My internal response would be: "Great, he's now meeting the absolute base level of decency required in a relationship." There is nothing special about that situation.

I believe this is where our viewpoints fundamentally diverge. I recognize that many people see reconciliation as a grand, special achievement. For my money, however, relationships are rarely strengthened by it.

An analogy I came across perfectly describes my view on this:

Imagine your marriage as a house. This house might have a few minor issues—the wallpaper needs replacing, the paint is peeling, or a window needs fixing. Infidelity is a bomb.
If you have minor maintenance issues, dropping a bomb and leveling the house to the ground is absolutely not a helpful form of renovation.

The only time leveling a house can be beneficial is if it was condemned to begin with.

To me, this analogy rings absolutely true. If a marriage is on its deathbed, with issues that appear irremediable, I can understand how the shock of infidelity could be the jolt the couple needed to finally address things and build something new from the wreckage.

Outside of that rare, condemned-house scenario, simply talking things over would have been the appropriate action. Levelling the house was a destructive and damaging overreaction that caused more trauma than it fixed.

Dr. Soolers - As recovered as I can be

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 12:17 PM on Tuesday, October 21st, 2025

Not really getting this discussion on if the WS is capable of reconciliation or not in this instance.
In his single (but epic) post ashman66 makes it clear he doesn’t want to reconcile and is preparing for divorce.

What I would want to tell ash is this:

Divorce is what it is.
In some ways it’s like the speed-limit. You might think the highway; your abilities and your pristine sports-car make driving at 90 mph a great idea. That cop citing you with a ticket for exceeding 60... Believe it friend – you are going to pay that fine... and there are logical and sensible reasons for why that limit is there no matter what you think.
Divorce is the same... It’s a process and a competent attorney can probably tell you with about 80% accuracy what the end-outcome will look like financially quite early on. That process is fair no matter how you see it – if for no other reason that they were clear when you entered the contract of marriage. It’s then your (and your WW) actions that cloud that extra 20%, but probably at an 80% increase in legal cost and time taken.

The key IMHO is to be realistic and goal-oriented and emotionally detached as possible. To build your demands and expectations on reality and practicality rather than some biased sense of fairness or wish for revenge. You won’t get all the house or all the savings or all the pension (if she is legally entitled to it). You could possibly negotiate about these issues, but it will be a quid-pro-quo situation rather than a grab-and-hold.

A key factor to personal recovery is accepting that there is no "winning" or "loosing" here. You don’t divorce to get revenge, nor do you make any gain in causing undue pain during the process. Try to get through this as fairly as you can – there will be pain enough on both sides despite doing so.

I wish you well on your journey.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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DobleTraicion ( member #78414) posted at 1:36 PM on Tuesday, October 21st, 2025

Hey ashman66, Ive read your post and the replies. Youve received some excellent feedback. I dont have more tactical advice to add. I do have a question for you.

At this stage of your life, what do you want the last quarter of your life to look at? All things considered, what is your highest and best ideal concerning these years?

You and I are are in the same age range. My betrayal happened earlier in my first marriage and I hung in there attempting a highly flawed effort to "save the marriage" It was misery.

As you process her multiple betrayals (the ones you know about), ask yourself, "What do I want these years, these precious years, to look like?" Your comment of:

The last few months have been utter fucking chaos and hell.

Is a glimpse of what a large part of those years will look like should you decide to stay and attempt reconciliation, even if she is 100% transparent and remorseful, which is highly doubtful. Do you really want this state of being for this stage of your life?

I understand that this is a "pick your poison" situation. Divorce has its own set of challenges and pain points but it also includes great opportunity. For a fresh start. To not be triggered by her face, voice, and behaviors every day. To pour 100% of your effort into yourself and your recovery. And yes, the opportunity to explore other relationships and possibly find a more worthy woman to spend your life with (I did).

Again, I ask you, what do you want your life to look like moving forward?

"You'd figure that in modern times, people wouldn't feel the need to get married if they didn't agree with the agenda"

~ lascarx

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