Cookies are required for login or registration. Please read and agree to our cookie policy to continue.

Newest Member: NillaWafer

Just Found Out :
Returning to life after 17 years of hell

default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 10:35 PM on Wednesday, January 7th, 2026

I am new here, it is a bit of a long story, I know many can probably relate to the existential shattering (lucky you right?), still I want to share it because even if it does not feel like it is possible for you now, I can tell you I reached a point where I can say "I have seen the bottom, and I am no longer afraid to fall".

So I am a guy who had a pretty horrible romantic life, I now realized that it came from my mom postpartum depression where she could not feel attachment to me (she told me when I grew up, first dew years of my life she was depressed and did not feel anything to me, then the realization shook her out of depression and she became the only person in my life who could really "see me", and I loved her deeply for this, the childhood trauma was already done though), so my earliest memories of her are this blonde haired woman, that was always just out the reach of my arm, I could stretch it to touch her but my nerve system learned early she would reject it. I have only one warm memory when I was 3 or 4 years old, we were on holidays with my grandparents and we slept in a small tented trailer as it was their spartan way of camping. I woke up and I saw the sun rising from the seaside and touching the grass I could see from the space between the trailer bottom and the tent (where me and my mom had the mattress we used to sleep upon), and I have always been a very lively and curious child, was waking up at 3-4 am and my dad had the duty to feed me and keep me entertained without waking mom up (poor dad, but I remember him fondly, I still cannot tell him today but those early memories of him are precious), so my first instinct was to lean over and touch the grass that was shining a vivid green in the early sun, but something happened that froze me: my mother was holding me with her arm close to her body, I remember feeling her breathing and heart beating, so I did not move a muscle and was afraid of breathing too loud, I felt so warm, I did not wanted it to end, I was terrified of waking her up and lose this, I did not wanted it to ever end.

I had to tell you this because I was always a bit of a weird boy, now I see this played a significant role in my interpersonal relationships, but still growing up I only ever allowed few selected friends to get truly close to me, I liked to play with others but was extremely reserved and sort of asocial, not a great fun time until end of highschool for my social life, I was not interested in relationships with girls much or with male peers too (with few exceptions) I basically grew up with the subconscious idea in my mind that I was unlovable, so I avoided to let anyone in besides people I really felt I could trust much. Yes I had my few experiences with girls, being very attractive and kind of "not giving a shit" guy I always had females eyes on me, I just did not notice or did not care then, I realized only later when I started modeling as a side job (and dating models) that was the case, still for that what happened in my first romantic experiences I always had shallows relationships with many different girls but "no exclusivity"rule. If it got too serious I moved on.

And the thing that caused it was my first love. Was 16 she was 14 in the summer on the Italian seaside. I always had an insane attraction for blondes, I cannot explain it because is not even conscious, but I noticed it. So like many other girls she was orbiting around me and approached me, this time I did not let her go even if it was the last day of my staying.
We lived in different cities so we kept in touch by phone and as soon as I could (since my family was rather poor) I saved for the train ticket and went to her. It was magic. It wasn't just the first timeI took the train, but it was the first time I experienced physical intimacy with a girl (I had only childish kissing and soon after lost interest before her), she introduced me to her parents, we spent the weekend and I came back home with butterflies in my stomach. We went few months by phone since school and hard to arrange meetings, but one day I went again to her. This time she brought me to a sunday afternoon club (fro highschool kids) and we 'casually' met her ex boyfriend (23 year old guy) and she introduced me, nothing strange in my mind then (not even that the guy was a pedo for being ex with a now 14 years old girl, but I was naive) there at the entrance so we went in together and she asked me to pick a drink for her (drinking age works differently in Italy, plus nobody checks). When I got back from the bar with the drinks I saw her sitting over her 'ex' almost fucking on the couches if it wasn't only they were still wearing clothes. I froze there like an idiot and I do not remember much until the moment she was walking me back at the train station cheerfully telling how "she has been thinking about getting back together with her ex since we live so far away". I did not cry until home, but I think I do not have to explain here how that feels like.

So my mind was set then, no more, do not trust the dopamine feeling, it will trick you into opening up and then you will get shattered. I became a playboy, dating different ones every time, no commitment, no exclusivity, I was always crystal clear "take it or leave it" I did not trust to open up again after that event. And it was ok, I can't say I was happy, sure I had variety, was always dating the most beautiful girls and was envied by my peers, but it did feel shallow I really did not care much I was still grieving inside. Then I entered the faculty of Medicine (300 slots for over 2k applications) and I was quite in a good mood, so I went with friend in a club, there I met a girl who was totally not my type (I tended to have very superficial standards back then, I think it was self soothing from the low self worth my first betrayal caused me) cute face but she was short and chubby, still she was kind of sweet and funny and she panicked when I smiled her and kissed me. No idea why, but I was in a good mood, so I told her to meet me the night after at the park where we used to play music, she came and we get together, she became my second girlfriend (I had only 4 in my life, the rest were never serious relationships), I like her character, her humor and the fact that she was kind of average looking made me probably feel safe, so I went all in. This means I am not seeing any other girl, the few times I committed I became absolutely monogamous, there is only my woman, other females do not even register in my brain, I never needed female external validation, what I truly craved was connection. So she was with me for two years, I moved to a surgery specialization (40 spots) and the fact that I was in a relationship with my girlfriend helped me to avoid my involvement with any female peers in my course (which was always a trouble and annoying drama in the end during my studies) so it was a smooth ride (besides the fact that I had to work and study and attend my internship so not much time to study, had to confide on my intelligence and quick learning to pull through as the uni was expensive and my parents could never afford it). But I was happy with her, it lasted about 2 years one day she broke up, I am fairly certain that is because dopamine faded and she found another guy in her university, one who was safer since she was from a rich family and I am from a struggling one, I am not sure she betrayed me before breaking up but it did not hurt as much as the previous time, also because she was rather tactful in the process. Still for my nerve system it was another confirmation of me being unlovable, when dopamine is out they pull back, if they see you they cannot love you, deal with it and move on.

Since then I focused on work and study almost abandoned completely girls with the exception of random flings and few one nighter that happened casually, but in general I avoided women as much as possible, anyway my soul had accepted that even if I can truly love someone fully that is not a 2 way street, something must be broken in me, someday they will pull out save the misery and accept random encounters for the rest of your life.

Then I met her. I was 25 and she was 23, my best friend invited me in his mansion San Remo (a fancy coastal city in Italy), he was together with a Polish girl they met in Malta and since then we took holidays together in Spain (she was coming with her girlfriends, we were a group of guys, and I was the one getting them all, but never moved past vacation romance, even if one was really having a hard crush on me and she still has to this day), then my uni and finances got tighter as I needed to help financially home, so I could never save for vacation after my second girlfriend breakup, but since it was just for a few days and the train was very cheap and home was provided there and I truly needed a vacation since I was burned out I kind of caved in and decided to go. Now like every vacation with them, his fiancee was always bringing with some other girlfriends, and since they both kind of wanted another italian-polish couple to do activities together I was always vetted about who would be coming (she knew I was popular with all her girlfriend in the past and her boyfriend knew I am absolutely faithful when committed, they were basically pitching them to me every year). This time there were 2 coming, one a easy going 'party girl' and the other one was the girl who should have come before (but never did) and I discarded before because she was in a relationship with a narcissistic asshole that she was hoping to break, but I do not meddle in couples, it's my own code, if a girl is in a relationship she is off limits, not matter how stunning or how bad her boyfriend is, I am not doing this shit other human beings for ego and stupid validation, I do not need it. But this time she broke up 2 months before and she was single (he ditched her) and so it was ok. First came the other one, pretty and cute and obviously open to have some fun but really I was not in the mood (I was really in the period that I was not into girls at all, if it happened it happened but I promised to avoid it if possible). So I relaxed, Ignored her flirting and set my mind ' this is going to be a relaxing holiday for me, no girls, no sex, just sea sun and chill' and the first 2 days it was just that, then she came. I was out with other friends in town while the hosts were picking her up from the station, so I met her in the evening when we came back, they were having a drink on the balcony.

I do not know how many ever had this moment, the moment when you see someone and you immediately say "she is different" for the first time in my life I met someone I truly wanted and I could see for her was the same. Two days later we were together, it was intense like nothing ever before, like you have know this person from your entire life, it's difficult to express in words unless you experienced it. She is the love of my life, the One I feel a connection that nobody ever reached into me. And I changed, I made plans in my mind, I will be with her no matter what, she was going to do an LLM in Germany and I will meet her there this will not stop to the end of summer. So I did. I doubled my efforts with University, work, saved every cent and we started a long distance relationship and made it work. She could not believe it and neither I could but it worked and we kept it up when she came back to Poland too after her LLM.

Of course that took a toll on me, I had to cut all distractions and hobbies and free time, had only time for Med School and work, I took 2 night jobs, slept less and pulled through, but I had more energy even if my social circle was almost completely excluded from my life (they are still my best friends today, but I physically had no time for anything else). At the same time I tried hard to make her feel safe as she was worried of the distance of the future and I wanted to show her with all my energy that we can make it, so from 2005 til 2007 it worked. But slowly she changed, she is a lawyer and she got a better job at a new bigger law firm, she started to complain about my 'being stuck' (med school takes long, especially the plastic surgery specialization I undertook, but it also guarantees a wealthy future) while she was moving forward in the world and I was terrified by hearing that, so increased my efforts and assurance to show her that I truly meant it. The complaints slowly became critics, then contempt, it was fine when we met but it was painful, I was again in my fucking loop of "soon she will wake up and realize you are unlovable and leave you, you must make her feel safe" maybe some of you can relate to this feeling of desperation. Then in January 2008 since she got a promotion and a bigger salary and she finally moved out of her parent's home to rent an apartment in the center of Warsaw. It is hard to say how proud I was of her, she called me to tell me that she moved in and she was going with her girlfriend to a club to celebrate, I was just filled with joy for her and I wanted to scream "you see? I knew you had it in you (she was very insecure before me and I built her confidence up) you are great! and this is another step forward, we will make it, we will be finally living together! I am so proud of you. Go, have fun girl you earned it! I love you! (which I never said to anyone except her)".

And usually she texted me on her nights out even just to wish each other goodnight. That night nothing, I texted her goodnight since I was going sleep and tried to call her but no pick up. Unusual but I thought it was just the club or maybe she did not see the phone in her purse, so I went to bed. Woke up in the middle of the night to check, no signs. Did not sleep much that night but I had absolute trust in her, I was just worried something happened but I did not want to alarm her for nothing, I sucked it up and tried to sleep. Morning came, no signs. I text her, try to call her, no answers. I waited few hours, called her again several times with no success (I thought she might be busy in the office sometimes she worked on Weekends), then I started to freak out, I was really worried something bad could have happened to her (but you probably know that other sneaky sensation crawling inside your gut), so I tried to reach out to her girlfriends, no answer on my call but to one text I got the "D. is fine" very short, but at least calming enough not to contact her parents.

She called me back in the evening, tone pissed off, cold, annoyed that I was reaching out so much. That chilled my blood, I could not understand her behavior that is natural to be worried for your beloved one when they disappear, I think I ended up stupidly apologizing for what she calls "overreacting" but that creepy sensation was beginning to scream inside me. You know what happened, otherwise you would not be here. I was in denial but deep down I knew it too.

Comes Valentine's day the date we were supposed to meet so I boarded my plane, trying to convince me that my gift and our meeting will clear out the clouds, as she was hard to reach more critic than ever and cold since that night. I came to the airport and she wasn't there (I felt bad but I excused that too, you know, denial), I took a cab to her new apartment and she met me with a cold kiss on the lips, she evaded my touch and hugs and she was hastily preparing to go to work, so I felt like shit, I was starting to feel the ice in my veins and she quickly left without a kiss or a hug or nothing leaving me alone in the apartment and I did not see her until late evening. Of course all my instincts were screaming like they kept doing everyday since that night she went to 'celebrate' my mind was in complete shock and the denial was shaky but still trying to find a different explanation. That night she sat giving me the back and I gave her my Valentine's gift she burst out crying "I don't deserve it!" and I collapsed. I asked her who is the other guy, I voiced what I knew already, she denied, she denied that there was anyone else or that her feeling changed, I wanted to believe her with desperation but I knew the truth as I always did, and when we went to bed She kept her distance and it was the most unreal night of my life, I could not sleep, I kept trying to explain or find any other reason in my mind until the sun came up and she woke up. And she was cheerful and pretending is all fine, her body avoiding any contact with me, stiffening if I casually touched her, I did not know what the fuck to say, it is indescribable how surreal that felt. And we went out for a walk in the city, she was cheerfully chatting and walking like nothing changed, but at some point I could not take it and I just grabbed her hand like we always did while out and her reaction was soul crushing: her face twisted in disgust, she pulled her hand up and freed it with a jerking motion that made me feel like inhuman trash. I died in that moment. I did not try any physical approach, I felt shattered, I do not think I said much or remember, I remember only the pain and the screaming inside my chest and how hard it was to breathe. In the evening I spoke to her, we broke up, I tried to make her confess she met someone else but she vehemently denied it all, making me feel like crazy because I felt it inside and it was eating me alive. That was a Sunday, she was to go to the office the day after, I was in pieces my entire world was shattering in front of me, but I will be damned if I cry in front of her.

Monday morning she leaves, I wait long enough to see her far away then I sit on the bed and cried in a way that I never think a human being could. It was a scream from the soul, annihilating sensation of your souls being ripped apart something you cannot contain and you cannot breathe. In that moment you die. Is deeper and more painful than any physical or emotional pain you can ever experience, you see your identity going in pieces, all your reality, existence, feelings, it''s physical pain and that voice screaming out from the depths you cannot believe it is you, I wonder if death feels like that, but after experiencing this I don't fear it as much anymore.

I could only call my brother and he did not even wanted to know what happened, he just heard my voice and said "come back home to the people who truly love you". She came back I said I could not stay there for the week we planned, I booked a flight back the day after and she immediately became all cheerful and friendly, all smiles and casual like is the most normal thing in the world, all while I was dying inside packing my stuff. Morning after she calls a taxi and stays on her phone until the cab is there. When it arrives I only say "I am going, goodbye then" and she comes smiling, hugs me and kisses me (I am completely in shock then so I cannot even process what the fuck she is doing) and she looks me in the eyes with her brightest smile after and says "maybe we can still have sex sometimes, because sex was great!". Believe it or not that sentence was the final stab, if you can kill a dead person that's how to do it because it casted me even deeper into the abyss.

Now you all know what was happening then, she was fucking a fat guy who not only treated her like trash but also filmed a porn with her (and other girls) on hidden webcams and infected her with an STD, then he dropped her after 3 months.

And she came back to me, she became my wife later, but the story does not obviously end here, I will finish it in a second post because there is more to the pain but also to the resolution of it, even if took years, I know until now it just sounds like a fucking horror story but I promise, there is hope to get back to the light and out of the storm someday. I just need a break to reorder the idea and because going back to these things even now, still hurts like when the day they happened.

And probably I also needed to share something that I never shared with anyone, since I kept it inside me for so long and I do believe only who was through this special kind of hell can truly understand what it means and feels like.


But I promise with the next part I will make sense of it all.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886070
default

Sadnanxious ( new member #86847) posted at 1:07 AM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Wow. Can’t believe you two ended up getting married. Please continue to post the rest of the story.

Sixteen years of marriage. Thought I found my soul mate. Now he is on Tinder with 24-year-old girls (he will be 60 next year).

posts: 15   ·   registered: Dec. 19th, 2025   ·   location: DMV
id 8886088
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 2:04 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Hi Sadnanxious, I can believe it because no matter what she did she is the One that is different from all the others.

I might have been fucked up emotionally since childhood trauma, but I developed a big empathy or sixth sense for getting other people beyond the surface impression. I "see" or better perhaps "feel" beyond the social mask, my gut can immediately tell who the person in front of me is, if they are being honest and coherent with how they present themselves or if they are dishonest or fake, I don't think I am a particularly sensitive person because I grew up believing I could only count on myself, but I was always able to get the feelings like a "vibe" of people around me, whether they were hiding their emotions I could tell if they were happy, sad, excited, stressed, relaxed, pretending or acting and I also got the feel of why they possibly act this way.

As a result people who is close to me like to talk to me more openly as a confidant because they know I do not judge them and I can spot how they really feel, I kind of "get them", I am not the kind of friend who is going to tell you "it's going to be okay" because I know, sometimes "it's not okay" and that is (ironically) ok.

Looking back as a more mature man, that is likely the aspect that made me popular with girls, likely beyond my look, even if they knew I was closed to relationships they liked to still spend time with me accepting that it will never be anything more than kind of a friendship (except my 2 ex girlfriends, when that was over I denied any contact when unavoidably they reached back, for me is "I am happy you have your life, I have mine. Keep it like this, pretend we never met, forget about my existence, I already forgot about yours. Wish you well"). As a side effect I can spot a narcissist from miles away, no matter how a person tries to hide it, I can see their "shadow", and I mean it in both positive and negative ways, and I accept them for who they are. And until now I cannot recall a person who did not turn out to be exactly like the first impression (I was perhaps only ever wrong about myself and the bond I believed we could forge). I always felt better in the female company, not sexually but because I always felt girls do relax around me and tend to open up more (even when I show no interest in them), and I like that, I like the feeling I can be of comfort to someone else and that was always nourishing to me, I needed nothing more.

Which was always a problem romantically because my fear of letting them closer inside my world was in the end damaging that kind of relationship, so I had to juggle between the time I enjoyed in female company and the time I needed to keep distance so they would not get emotionally entangled with me.

As I told you, I am afraid I was completely fucked up emotionally for the most part of my life, but it was the fear of the pain of my "unworthiness of being loved" that made me to reject romantic interests from girls, it had to be aseptic and detached, but turns out it never was, even with those girls who promised they could keep it so.
(again I only recently realized and accepted my life traumas as the foundation of my emotional life. I am explaining it because I do realize I was broken, I am not unlovable or detached, I was always hurting and I denied myself I was bleeding, I told myself the story I was destined to be alone and that's just fine. I had to accept I was fucked up myself before truly healing from the betrayal trauma as you will see later.)

So why did I take her back, something I never ever imagined I could do, something that was against "my code?

She hit me on a primal level, I never pursued any girl before or since (with the next exception) I had the feeling she could look into my soul and she felt the same from me, I never ever believed such thing could happen to me.

She told me it was the same for her that she was not intimidated by my look when she met me on the balcony, she felt immediately familiar, safe like she knew me her whole life, and that I was the person who built her self worth and confidence who made her feel loved and accepted fully instead of used and discarded.

Like usual I could see all those red flags in her, the kind that kept me from opening to other girls before, but I also saw something else, her primal energy, so alive and vibrant and hidden and I could not look away. So I ignored it all, I was perhaps overconfident thinking that I would be able to help her break free of her traumas and dark sides, but no matter what, believe me when I say I could not have acted in any other way, for the first time I wanted to be with someone above anything else, and nothing would stop me from that. Why? I cannot tell you, she broke both my attraction mold and my emotional embargo, she is beautiful but I used to date actresses and models, it was not that, it was something else, something inside her was awakening me and turning my world upside down, I mean it when I say I felt she is the love of my life, and I 'married her' the moment I saw her on the balcony.

Of course this does not change what happened in 2008, there was and is a lot more, I keep it brief because is already a long story and I want to write about getting out from hell more than about a romance drama. Maybe I will write a book about this someday.

So I boarded on that plane, I felt empty, exhausted, I remember the flight as a numb 'behind a glass' feeling, it was directly to my city (Turin) so I only had to endure 2 hours and quickly home to my family. That state is a state where you can feel all your defenses drop, you do not care how you look, how you act, you are just catching the next breath, your mind is empty and it feels like walking between the border between a dream and a wake. But I could finally breathe, I was destroyed, emptied, but somehow relaxed, the contrast between returning home and that primal scream from the soul was enough to make me feel better.

In that moment I had no past, no future, no thoughts, no plans, only the present and did not need anything else. You might have experienced this feeling after your betrayal, even if just for a moment, but you should go back to it because I know now that state is your nervous system naturally re-calibrating. That state has a name, I call it "complete and total surrender": is when you drop your mask, your ego, your anxiety, your expectation, your need for validation. You become the real you, 'naked' emotionally like the day you were born, not feeling the need for recognition, not begging and apologizing for existing and acceptance from the world, you are just you, nothing else. And that makes you pure, primal, magnetic. The true you.


I did not know that back then, and it was just temporary, very brief, lasting just enough for making it back home (where I finally crashed) but that explains what happened when I landed at the Airport and went to recover my baggage, something that happened that made zero sense to me back then but I understand it now.

I was at the belt waiting for my baggage, the plane was almost empty because it was a winter flight and most people there were just coming to my city to go Skying on the Italian Alps, so there were just few people waiting with me. And there was her, a beautiful curly blonde girl with green eyes, I did not notice her on the plane but we were few people away and I saw how she looked at me giving me "the eyes" grooming her hair and flashing me with her smile. I don't remember much or why, but I recall I was next to her it was natural, asking her if she was Polish (that was a red flag for me in that moment because of what just happened) and she started talking to me about what she does and where she studies (she was having a doctorate in my city) and she claimed her baggage first then she left, but not before slipping me her phone number, which I took not even understanding what the fuck was going on, had no will at all to meet another woman in that moment, all I wanted was to get to bed and sleep, so I filed it out logically as "I am hurting because I was discarded like trash by the love of my life. This is probably self soothing to prove myself I am not garbage and can be attractive to someone. I will never call her or see her again though".

Then I went home. I spare you the emotional hell you all likely been through on your journey, but the most important thing was my little brother opening me the door and just hugging me saying nothing for several moments, only saying then "you ok?" and I nodded.

I was lucky to have the comfort of my mother and brother (my father was never a capable person emotionally so he tried in his goofy ways to cheer me up, which I still appreciated), but all I needed then was to go to bed, and I slept for 3 days straight. Only standing up to drink and wash, then coming back to bed, I did not wanted to stay awake because every second I was conscious I could feel the pain of the betrayal coming in waves and they never faded, each wave was washing away more and more pieces of my identity, self worth, emotional illusion. So I craved sleep and the peace of nothingness more than anything.

I woke up the third day and for the first time since that fucking evening call months earlier, I could watch myself in the mirror (before I looked like shit) and recognized a shadow of myself. So I took a shower, called my work to tell I was back from the vacation before schedule, took the free time I had to catch up with the study and went to work that very evening, to rebuild my life back from the ashes. I had some of my natural energy back, not fully but it was coming back. I drowned myself in getting busy, every single moment I could think of her it was dreadful, so I made sure I had no time to think. My university suffered because I could not pay the fees in time since I was prioritizing my relationship and the flights and trips were expensive, so I focused on catching up. I was afraid to meet my friends because they would ask and I would have to go through that again, so I arranged my weekends to challenge myself in learning new skills, making job interviews for positions that I would never fill (but I wanted to prove myself I could get the spot every single time, often even being offered a better or managerial position, just to refuse it later - because my study would not allow it - but it was both a distraction and a way to prove myself I am not the subhuman trash she judged me and treated me to be).

The only thing different is that for the first several weeks I had absolutely no sex drive. I was seeing women as danger more than ever, even at the slightest smile or look from a girl I was almost running away like they were aiming a gun at me. You may think it's ridiculous and probably it was, but it took me a while to realize I was both running away from the other sex and disconnecting at the same time from the emotions I lost and still craved so much.

So one Saturday I was at a job interview, a meeting with a lot of other candidates, and I started to have fun, I was playing both the HR recruiting lady and the other candidates in establishing and taking over the meeting guidelines. Result was the HR lady offered me a management position, only for me to refuse it because I explained her why I was doing this interview and that my study leaves me n time (but she slept with me that very night), and after the meeting I was hanging out with other candidates, among which there were 2 girls that I ended up dating shortly after.

So I went out to what some may call a destructive path, or maybe self soothing, I made sure I was always having a girl to meet for every single day, more than one at a time in the weekends, so I had no time to be alone with my thoughts. I am not proud of that but neither feel gui;ty, it was kind of emotional survival, still I have my "code" I was always crystal clear with every new girl I met and kissed how things were to work "this is what happened to me just weeks ago. I am not ready for a relationship. Is going to be just sex and I am seeing other girls. Take it or leave it." It was obviously brutal so many girls gave up after hearing my boundaries, still I did not wanted to ever attach to someone again and get destroyed in the process so I was not caring about it, I cared only about my emotional safety.

And 11 girls accepted those conditions, so I was getting my validation back, again dating like before "she" but somehow it felt even more empty and more shallow than ever. And even those girls who "took it" after a while started to want more from me, so I had to let them go when I felt they were getting involved more than physically because I was clear, I did not want to be hurt again and I also do not want to be hurt or disappointed by a "fucked up unlovable guy" that I believed I was. I stayed away from paired girls even when they were pursuing me like crazy, I stuck to my "code" of never hurting other human beings like I have been hurt, the mere idea of being the cause made me wanting to vomit and I felt sick, I started to develop disgust for every woman who was in a relationship and was giving me the hungry eyes, I started to feel more and more resentment for other guys who were pursuing girls who were either married or in a relationship, in my eyes everything about humanity and "love" was becoming a dirty parody of deceit, disloyalty, disgust.

I was losing completely myself in resentment and for the first time I started to "judge" people like shit, because I was so hyper-focused on those signals I could see them all around myself every day, and I fucking hated it, I fucking hated myself for being unable to accept that this is what relationships look like, I fucking hated myself for being so stupid to believe she was any different while she was following those very same patterns. I was starting to resent equally men and women for what my mind was imagining "love" to be, I started seeing dirty in everything beyond the surface level, and above all I deeply hated myself for being "broken" for wanting something that is impossible and I was getting convinced is not part of the human nature. I was fucked up by the betrayal trauma, but instead of recognizing it for what it was, I started to believe I was even more fucked up and "wrong" because I did not want to give up to the idea and feeling of love while the world was showing me its worst shitshow from its male and feminine sides (and that's what happens to you when you are devoured from within from the trauma of betrayal, you start to notice selectively and project your pain and see it reflected from outside everywhere).

And I started to be angry about my "polygamist dating" thinking I was trying to cope and become "normal" like others but deep down it was shallow and empty, and I could not stand to see in those same girls' eyes the desire for emotional connection that I was too hurt to offer while I craved it, and at the same time I felt like shit because I did not wanted to hurt them but I was too terrified of letting them in and relive again the same hell I went through with all of my 3 exes (with the final death from 'The One', as she truly killed me beyond any hope of salvation), so I started to hate myself the most, and told me I deserved this pain, I am worthless and the worst of all because I want something nobody can give me because it just does not exist, and I am too wrong and broken to accept it and live normally like the others, so I deserved all the shit I received and was feeling because I was unworthy, incapable of changing, and of course she finally saw it and of course she choose "the better man"leaving a stupid naive child to rot in his illusions where he deserves.

That was my emotional development in those few weeks and months after the betrayal. It's an emotional mess where you ping pong between different states and in the end you always end up internalizing the blame, you are the wrong, you are guilty, it's all your fault and you should be ashamed.

So I "mimicked" what my mind was imagining the "normal relationship" scene expects from a guy, I had plenty of girls, zero emotion, I was laying in a different bed with a different person for most of my nights, watching the ceiling and dying inside a little bit more instead of connecting. Because I was trying to convince myself that's what the people truly are, that's how you get accepted as "cool / successful" and the fact that for many from the outside that was exactly what they thought about me, was kind of the confirmation I was following the "correct path, to become better, like the others".

But deep down I knew that was never what I wanted, what I craved the most it was what I just lost, and the depths of despair were lingering just below the surface when my subconscious kept whispering me in the moments of silence "You will never have that. You do not deserve that. Nobody loves you, you should deal with it. Remember what she said, what she did, you know this is the truth. You will always be alone."

And what completely destroyed this brief illusion of "integration into normalcy" was once again, realizing I became more attractive than ever to women in general, most of them in relationships, I was convincing myself that becoming a complete asshole was the way to heal, I was really trying to bury any feeling a girl could spark into me, I was trying to "fix my broken idiotic romantic self" by becoming the complete opposite of any commitment, connection, loyalty... and girls fucking loved it, they were attracted like to a magnet. And I fucking hated it, I hated myself for doing this and seeing their attraction was no longer bringing validation and soothing and "I am no human trash", but it flipped, it became "I am behaving like fucking trash and women crave it. And I am feeling sick".

It started to spiral really quick, from the newly found energy and confidence it was becoming a deep self hate, distrust on females, men, myself above them all. That's when I started to miss her again. I wasn't healing, I was just trying to prove myself that I was better than how she treated me, but I wasn't, I was disgusted with myself and instead of forgetting her and letting her go I missed her more than ever, I missed what we had, no matter how hard I tried I could not come to peace to accept those feelings were fake or an illusion, I wanted to die and get over with, I was losing myself in the darkness once again and the pain came back full force.

That's when I called the girl from the Airport, she was off limits for me because she was polish and she was the first girl I spoke with after the betrayal, but somehow in that moment she looked like the only person who could take my mind off her, maybe poison kicks poison, I don't know why I did it, but I called her, proposed a date and she happily accepted.

So we started dating, and with this one I was extremely careful, almost shy which is out of my personality, I spoke about why I was on that flight, what happened, the betrayal my "current romantic life" and how horrible I feel in seeing paired girls desiring me. Obviously that came out slowly not on the first few dates, she obviously liked me a lot and was always available, listening, vibrant and vital and I had the feeling she gets me, but somehow I did not make a move on her outright, neither did she. Without even realizing I stopped dating the other girls when I started to date her, but her presence was the only one taking me out of the misery. We did not kiss, we did not have sex, but there was a kind of tension and safety that was soothing my wounds, and slowly the pain for the betrayal was receding. Not completely, but enough to get D. out of my mind every moment. Because I started to catch myself thinking of this girl (A.) from time to time.

Then came the day she had to fly back to home in Krakow to defend a Thesis in her uni, she invited me in her apartment for a coffee and goodbyes, I went with a weird feeling of nostalgia even if with her until now it was mostly mental but under the surface emotions were lingering. So we met, had the coffee and she needed to pack, she hugged me for a goodbye and I looked her in the eyes in silence for a moment then told her "I want to say you goodbye my way" and I kissed her. She exploded on me like she have been waiting that moment for long, it was an extremely passionate kiss and she was crying while we left, and I was feeling sad because I thought I would never see her again, but I treasured that moment for me alone.

Then after a day she contacts me back, she sobs and tells me that she misses me and want to come to me but she confesses something else "I have a boyfriend, it's over for me but I did not meet him yet to tell him" and I frozen again telling her she knows very well my "rule" I cannot be between two people, she should have told me immediately so I would never have dated her. And she told me that she knew and that's why she was terrified of letting her feelings out, she wanted to get home and break up before making any step further with me, but I kissed her before she could close the relationship and she felt it was wrong to not come out clean. I felt like shit again, but I understand this was not entirely on her as she was over her relationship before we started dating and did not want to break up by phone but in person. And I pushed her, perhaps unknowingly, but while she refrained to move forward before clearing out it was me who kissed her and she could not resist it.

So even if I felt wrong for that, like breaking my rules, I wanted to believe her and gave her a chance to contact me back once she was free, until then and if she could not, I did not want to hear from her. So she did. She did come back, we took it slow partially because of that unspoken secret and partially because I was developing genuine feelings for her. I became exclusive for her completely like usual, she became my girlfriend and she was making plan to come to live in Italy with me (the opposite of my ex, since I was the one making plans to overturn my life and go to her) and I was shocked by that, but it felt right, and even with small slow steps, I was starting to open up ad feel again, I was starting to heal, she was completely connected and she was the one healing my wounds.

Pass less than a month and she is pregnant, I am half shocked half overjoyed, she starts making plans to finish her doctorate and move here, I am also strangely looking up to it, it feels like we work out somehow, I am still afraid of letting completely go myself but she is pulling me in her world everyday a little more, and I am allowing it. I started finally to feel light again.

It is then when She comes back. She tried to contact me for my birthday on Skype before (while she was still with the OM, so she betrayed him too in my book) and I was kind of detached when she wrote me, I was finally getting her out of my heart and there she pops out, like expected. I do not want to lose my peace that A. was finally bringing in, but at the same time my usual "I have my life you have yours. Forget I ever existed, I already forgot you existed in my life. Do not contact me again." did not came out this time. I was polite and detached, very brief, replied to her but never followed up the rest. It felt weird, expected but still. I thought I was over her and I wondered why it felt so strange that I was not able to give her my "fuck off my life" message, I thought it was due since the relationship with A. was at his very early stage and I neede still time, I informed A. she was unease but she knew how much I was destroyed by her so she thought she could overcome it.

But when she came back the second time it was different. She timidly tried to re-approach me through Skype, she knew from our common friends that I was thriving again and she was missing me and remembering the time we had together, to which I answered "you are talking to the wrong guy, go tell that to your boyfriend" and she confessed he dumped her, she was hesitant to write to me and she understands if I do not want to talk to her anymore, that she only now realizes how important I was in her life.... you know the usual bullshit.

For some reason I could not tell her to fuck off, it disrupted me again, I was feeling confused and a mix of emotions, guilt, longing, anger, regret, the usual mess you so well know. Had to inform A. who was away in Poland but we spoke on a daily basis, she was worried but she told me she knew I need closure and at the same time I told her that I cannot be free if I am still bothered by feelings for her, I need to get over it or it would not be fair in her regards so we'll take a break up until I clear things out like she did with her ex boyfriend before we got together, she was pained by this but she agreed.

So I accepted D. proposal to come back to meet me in Italy in my city, I took that as final closure I warned her upfront it could be very well that I see her, I feel disgust and I put her immediately back on the train to go fuck herself by her new guy (and that was my plan, what I truly felt I would do, just to let her feel a sliver of the bitter taste of annihilation she gifted upon me). She accepted my terms and came anyway.

When I saw her walking towards me from the station I believe I had disgust painted on my face while her face was full of pain and regret. I do not know how or why, somehow as soon as she got close we kissed, it was natural, painful and beautiful at the same time, I could not believe it it was happening but I could not resist it. She was banned from my house (as established before her coming) so I brought her to her hotel and we had sex, among her emotions ranging from tears to joy.

I left her there completely confused of what was going on, I was feeling on the border among happiness and despair, I know I did break up with A. before meeting and I was transparent but I still could not believe that happened. I came home, called A. and told her what happened. She cried, but she told me she expected it, that maybe is normal, maybe it is part of closure, she will still be waiting and give me time to see my feelings with clarity and then maybe I will see who is the girl who has a place in my future, that she believes this is the right way to do it. She thanked me for breaking up before hand and told me to call her when she leaves, but that she did not wanted to know any more details, just my decision once I reached it.

It still felt wrong, but at the same time I could not deny that the moment I saw D. coming back to me everything felt right again, even if I was drowning in a sea of pain and regret all at once again.

We went for a holiday and she was again the girl I met in San Remo our first time, full of attentions and care while I was conflicted and guarded, I was promising myself that no matter how I cannot deny my feelings for her are as strong as ever, I would never accept disrespect from her again.

We came back from the seaside and she left, she knew about A. and the other girls, but she was mostly worried about A., though she was aware we broke up for the time we were assessing if our reconciliation was possible. By the end of that vacation obviously I had to tell A. it was over, that I was back, and that would be painful for her (she just discovered to be pregnant of my child) and it was painful for me because I felt powerless and completely off balance again, I was half rejoicing for my girl coming back and half disgusted I was so weak to betray my code and take a traitor back, hurting an important person in the process. But I told D. that even if it's over with A. I will stay friend with her, because she is the victim in the process and she had enough courage to step aside to let us try to get closure or reconcile, even if it pained her deeply.

But I could not take my foot in 2 shoes, so I was back together with my Wayward ex, while ditching the girl who wanted to build a life with me, she kept tabs on me, we talked from time to time, she was updating me about her career as an actress and public figure, she told me she lost the baby (I never had the courage to inquire what happened) and later that she met another guy and she was planning to marry him. I was happy for her, but I could feel and she hinted me several times that she was still hoping I would finally see reason and come back to her. Which I did not. It was still the fucking 2008 and right after I got back with my ex my Dad had a heart attack, a truly bad one. I spotted it coming, of course until it went down he refused to let me bring him to the hospital where it would have been prevented, and the ambulance fucked up and took almost an hour to reach home. Lucky I smelled it ahead so I stayed home watching that night and I was able to CPR him and keep him alive until the defibrillator came, and they got him back just on the last try.

It was another nice trauma to add to the list, the next 48 hours I was reassuring my family while knowing perfectly thatthe harsh part will be 48-72 h to see if he survives it, but that's an info a I kept for myself, no point into scaring your beloved ones more than they already are. So I was cold and emotionless for those days, I only needed one person to comfort me, D. and I begged her to come and be close to me in that moment. She did not. She reasoned that in this moment of distress it would be bad for my family to have her in the way and promised she will come as soon as the fog cleared out (as she did) and it made logical sense to me back then, but frozen me deeply at the same time (I was working emotionless and completely empty and rational in those weeks after the heart attack).

Luckily he survived, and I did a good job with CPR as he got minimal scarring and damage and made a full recovery. And as promised she came then. I was cold and detached from any emotion all that time. When she came I brought her to a restaurant on a nearby touristic lake for a weekend of relief, and while we were sitting on our table waiting in front of the lake, I was feeling relief in her company there I had my first real panic attack. It felt like an heart attack, sudden, terrible pain in the chest, I could not breathe and I started feeling like dying, my heart was racing like crazy and I was sure it was over. It lasted maybe a minute then completely disappeared, but scared me (and her) shitless. I recognized it for what it was, a panic attack, and I ascribed it to my dad's event and my emotional overload back then (but it wasn't it was one of the first physical manifestations of betrayal trauma, just got mixed in the events).

It was the first of a long series, that intensified in frequency slowly becoming a daily occurrence. Then it was joined by gut problems, appetite disorders, sleep pattern disruption, constant anxiety, hypervigilance, GERD and esophageal ulcerations, psoriasis skin flares, sudden neck pains, headaches and lower back pains, nausea, dissociation, de-realization.

I was spiraling back, I had troubles in my med school internship because as the attacks were increasing I was starting to freak out sometimes while operating a patient, I ascribed it to my dad's but I am sure today it was a different kind of trauma, because you probably had this kind of shit when you suffered the same betrayal trauma I did.

so that shitty year finally ended and we got in 2009 and she seemed more caring. Before it ended I exploded only once, I was in Warsaw visiting her, it was September I went to her office, demanded she to come down and talk to me and I told her "admit the truth, you met this guy before breaking up with me. I know the truth, lie me more and I am gone now" and she cried and admitted to the betrayal, confessed everything even if I knew it all. I was partially relieved she came clean and partially hurt that she kept up her comeback to reconcile beginning it with a lie.

I thought that would be enough to forgive her back then, or at least part of the process. I was wrong.
However the new year started, she was caring and more close than before, but after several months she started again expressing fears about the possibility to build a future together, that our long distance relationship was viable and not just a dream, those fears though understandable rekindled the pain once again.

So I bought the ring I was planning to give her the year before (just before I felt she was betraying me, then obviously that idea was off the menu) and I realized her 'engagement dream' that very summer during our summer holidays: to be proposed in Venice, I knew of that dream of her since we met in 2005 in San Remo (I was taking notes already) and so I made it happen, I brought her there with an excuse, she started to become emotional when she realized we were crossing the bridge to Venice, and I brought her to a small island with a little park, so I kneeled there and asked her to marry me. She said yes, but I could spot some hesitation (that brings up to a far more recent DDay) and later she seemed genuinely happy about it so I overlooked it, but my instinct felt it.

And no matter what the year after (2010) we were planning my moving to her to Poland, I rushed it because no matter the engagement she was still afraid about our future and I was again in the fucking loop of feeling the need to prove my worth an commitment to her, to reassure her that it was true and not a dream. So I spent that year turning my life upside down for the second time: I forsaken my career as a surgeon and my studies, left my job, prepared friends and families and planned how to start from absolute zero in a foreign country where I do not know the language, have no education or prospects, beside the One I trust to be the love of my life, and I am confident I will figure it out somehow it will be fine, she was buying finally an apartment where we could both live leaving the small one she was renting where I was betrayed (which I could not stand), so for me was looking like a fresh start.

So February 2011 I board the plane with a one way ticket and get there. Nothing besides my few things in my luggage, ready to start a new life from zero in a new place, expecting the joy on her face when she will finally see that is real.

Guess what? When you think of wrong expectation remind of this: joy was not there. She was ok with it, but underlining was a kind of disappointment, the kind of feeling you get when you think you are doing a surprise to someone you love and you get a "oh, it's just you." comment back.

I let you imagine the feeling. But I was positive I explained myself that she was worried about the difficulties because she took a mortgage and I was there unemployed and with no usable title to boot, so she might be afraid of financial hardships (that I put into account that's why I wanted to finish my career first, but her anxiety about long distance relationships and her past betrayal put me at an empasse where it felt like "is now or never", so I took the leap of faith). One last thing I remembered I said to A. when I was about to depart, I called her to tell her I was moving to Poland to live there and I can still remember her painful voice when she cried "You are coming to Poland but you are coming to the wrong girl!". In hindsight she might have been right.

So in the beginning it was hard, I found some shitty office job where I could use my basic knowledge of English, but it was low payed and she disdained it with contempt, then I found Italian native speakers are very popular there and a lot of people (mainly girls) want private lessons, so I did that. After a while I started teaching in language schools keeping private lessons on the side (I did not have that education background but I am fast in learning new skills) and I got quite popular and better paid, soon enough I got recruited at the Warsaw university as a native speaker lector so things were moving forward. Still I was bringing home less money she did from her law firm and she had real contempt about it. Which was painful, it was not a rich salary but on par of many normal families and I was doing everything I could to keep creating something stable starting from nothing.

But was not enough for her.
I was also keeping following my passion project, and early Artificial Intelligence that I started to toy with in 2001 (I had many different interests before her) and so I bet on that. Started pitching to angel investors and venture capitals, got few millions in founding, started a Startup company, become the CEO, patented my tech in 31 countries and started to work with the technical university to create a PoC and a MVP of my system.

And it fucking worked, I realized one of the first AI long before any ChatGPT was in it's inception. It was 2015, her father died and my mother died shortly after due to a routine hospital operation fuckup that cause complications for both of them (they were young and healthy for the rest), her father died a month before I officially established my company, and we wanted to marry quickly so my mother who was also in bad conditions, could be at our wedding and see us.

Truth is, when I moved there in 2011 I already planned marry her immediately, it was her contempt and lowkey irritation at my showing up at the door that slowed me down, I understood that if I would not prove myself worthy (again) of providing she would never be happy, so I did not wanted to take this step until I was sure to have it secured it financially.

So apparently that year was another, for better or worse, memorable year, 10 years since we met, our parents died, we got married, I founded a Startup and had a millionaire investment backing me up.

I was fresh in business beside my small activities but I managed to make it work and realize it. Turned out to be a pretty powerful tech even if it was completely outside the box (I am not an IT guy, but I have a passion for tech, so I came from a different angle) for cybersecurity application, outranking anything on the market still today. There was a lot of money, not in my pocket though, until I brought the company to profitability I was paying myself a minimum wage salary even if I worked over 100 hours / week, because engineers were expensive and I was directed at making it successful first. She did not like it. After short she started to have complaint and contempt and discrediting what I did as more of "a hobby" or childish dream, which was eating me inside. At the same time she was charmed and stunned every time she interacted with my partners and investors seeing their wealth she was feeling intimidated and amazed so she was ping ponging between that amazement and discrediting my efforts like "unrealistic".

That until I was ready with a refined MVP and opened an office in Italy where I thought I could launch the product into a richer market than Poland where I have some connections and sway, 3 years later in late 2018, started to operate in 2019 (you know what's the next surprise was waiting for me behind the corner that year), and by chance once she was visiting my family she came to see the office (I thought she might be curious to see) and my desk and her reaction surprised and confused me: she was stunned and she almost jumped me there on my desk, I had to calm her down because it was a fully windowed tower and is clearly visible from outside, but I realized that situation was very telling of her psychological state: she did not have any real respect or trust in me or my skills, she saw me still as the long distance summer romance and student, she did not realize until she saw what was going on that I was grown into a more mature person. She did not truly believe in me, only in what she could see and touch materially and superficially. On the other side, I could not get her then because for me it was obviously just a risky big money exposure, not the real value until we conquer a market position, but she was blinded by the shiny things than her belief in me, and realizing it was another harsh hit in my self esteem.

Since that moment she became a different wife, she was energetic, positive and looked in love. I wish I would say that was feeling better, and to some extent it did, but truth is it made my panic, anxiety and PTSD even worse because I was slowly dismantling my denial about her behavior, hot and cold attitude, contempt and frustration. She did not really "see me" she was only putting attention of what she could get from me. Someone else could replace me just fine at any moment, as long as it provided her with same or better validation.

And it fucking killed me again. But I soldiered on, I went forward, made a big contract with the Italian PA in November 2019, big financial exposure that required hiring more people and investment but the payback was big, and right before it started we got lockdowns, and everything stagnated. I managed somehow to keep it afloat, but we took a big hit, of millions, and the people I hired that I could not use were under contracts that were difficult to rescind outright, so this was a financial disaster for me.

And the cherry on top was her: as it happened she doubled down against me and "see? I told you it was stupid, you should find a real job" and her contempt and criticism skyrocketed to levels even higher than her first betrayal.

I would lie if I say this was not soul crushing. The financial hit was bad, but I managed to save the situation and preserve the assets and connection with the important clients which are still active today. But I became a ghost of myself, I fell into depression and she bashed me even more for it (one day she was supportive and caring, the next day she was pushing me down like a worm, telling me how difficult our marriage is for her and how many 'needs' she has unfulfilled, never ever fucking asking or even knowing what I ever 'need' by the way, it was me who must prove his worth to her).

You know when you think you reached the bottom and you find out there is still room to sink? That was it. It was soul crushing and destroying me as a person.

By the way another thing to note is since we came to live together and we married, we had basically a sexless relationship, she never wanted that kind of intimacy unless we were on holidays or she was in the mood, I learned rejection as the normal, the only exception being when we were trying for a child, which we had issues because she caught a fucking STD from her affair, she infected me with and always denied to seriously investigate it and cure it, we were constantly getting generic antibiotics without really diagnosing it, an that maybe lowered the symptoms and discomfort for a week or two then it was back full force. I know that for her to acknowledge it meant to acknowledge her betrayal, so like the rest she swept it under the carpet, after all was another excuse to avoid sexual intimacy with me.

Only recently after my own comeback from the abyss she took it seriously turns out is the kind of STD that causes infertility in both partners, I had to suck it up because any mention was reminding about the OM and triggering her to become aggressive and insulting towards me. So the only period we had some sex more often than 5-7 times/year was when she tried to get pregnant, she dictated when and how and how often and I was so low that I just played along like a beatup dog.

We could have ignored the STD but surely it was still there, so we failed to get a viable child (she had a spontaneous abortion or perhaps too very early, like this STD causes), and she was so frustrated with it that sex almost completely stopped (exception on holidays, she becomes a different person when not in Warsaw) and we moved to adoption.

So we have a wonderful adoptive girl, who is my little angel and she is the true woman of my life now, we had her when she was 4 and she just turned 9, like these children she has her own traumas but I am proud of how much progress she made, she is beautiful, intelligent and sensitive and I vowed my life to make her life and future happy.

But the situation in our marriage was turning too toxic, and it was also impacting her. My wife's contempt and disrespect was overflowing so much that begun to impact our daughter, at some point she was constantly dismissing and ridiculing me in front of her and I see that was damaging to her, but I was drowning in my personal hell so everyday I had a little less fight in me. You know the feeling.

And in every public situation where we were together, any social event she was more than happy to parade me around, I look good, I make an impression, I make other women jealous, but I could not unsee her constantly flirting with other guys, intervening if I am talking to someone just to downplay or make discrediting comments or paint me as a fool when I am having a conversation. I should be on display but she basically uses me as a meter to make other guys she flirts with look better. And I fucking hated that, but I was down to the point I had to apologize for breathing too loudly.

This finishes the very long premises. It sound a story of desperation and hopelessness (because it was) but here is the thing: you may keep drowning and feeling there is no end to your personal hell, but at some point you will see it, there is a bottom, and once you touch it you stop being afraid of falling there again.

So here is what I call the "switch" what changed my personal hell into my current stronghold, my unshakable true self, which I mentioned briefly earlier.

It happened just last end of September, during our annual meeting of adoptive parents a moment I dreaded because I feel like a ghost there, nobody gives me much care because I always made sure to merge well into the background, even because whenever someone tries to make polite conversation about what I do in my life or just normal (obnoxious to me) small talk I am sure to see my wife pitching in and minimizing what I do or think and making fun of me with "don't take what my husband says too seriously" or "he talks a lot of things" with her fucking eyes rolling - which is weird because in private she is always coming to me to ask my opinion and listens carefully to what I have to say or think and she really adopts my point of view many times and respect me, but in public she behaves like a different person - so I learned to become background avoid the humiliation and frustration and I just become a presence, keeping my stupid mouth shut.

That weekend I was sick (her comments on that being - you sleep on the couch until healed because I need to sleep and you heavy breathing is annoying me - ) and Poland is rather cold in September already, so I was doing in an out the hotel to the campfire where we met with the kids and parents. It was the first day and it started like always, her taking the scene, talking to everyone, being cheerful (way too much) with men and considerate with women, completely ignoring me about few sparse or snarky comments. I always tried to avoid conflict because there are children but this time instead of just hanging there I decided at least I would taking care of my health and go back to the room to change or get something warm when I was getting too cold, I was feeling already different mood than usual, kind of detached.

The last time I came back to the campfire I stopped in my tracks and I saw her from 50 meters away laughing with another man in a flirty and inappropriate way, bearing a body language than any male can clearly read like a neon sign "I am available, please fuck me" from a mile away.

But this time I did not feel pain. This time I felt no sorrow. I felt nothing, but clarity. It was since ages my mind saying this like I could hear it clearly "I see now. I accept it. But I don't want this anymore. It's over." I walked calm to the ampfire, I said goodnight and went back to our room. I felt light, calm, no signs of stress or emotions, I went to the mirror and seeing my reflection I just felt "I have only myself to give the world. I can't be nothing else. So that's what it will be. Take it or leave it, I do not fucking care." and went to sleep, thinking I will divorce her on Monday.

I woke up in the morning with my wife and daughter still sleeping, I expected to feel rage and anger looking at her but here what I felt: nothing but peace.

I did not feel hate for her. I did not wanted to divorce her anymore. I simply did not care.

I walked outside, it was early morning only the staff was up (which I perceived as pretty distant and unfriendly the day before) I asked for when the bar opens because I wanted a coffee before taking a short walk, the kitchen would only open in 2 hours but they were suddenly all so nice to me and friendly, the girl from the kitchen opened the bar just for me and insisted to make me a coffee or two. The other girls told me she could cook me a quick breakfast, they did not wanted even me to pay for it. I said no thanks, and took a walk, early sunrise lake and colors were all so vivid and even the cold air was not disturbing, I was still ill but felt better already.

So the day went on and I was just feeling completely light hearted and minding my business, slowly I started to notice the men and women fro mthe parent group approaching me in a friendly way, inviting me to talk, drink or eat something, all the kids were orbiting me and that went along for the entire day until the next campfire. I am used to women being generally very nice to me, but not about men, everyone was acting with me like an old friend, even a guy who I was sure was always tense in my presence and I was convinced hated my guts suddenly became best buddy. I was full of kids around keeping asking me how to do their own campfire or this game or showing me their hadiworks or asking me to play with them, I was suddenly the main requested adult in the group and it was feeling nice. Everybody was warm and I felt connected with me, with one exception: my wife.

For the first time since I can remember she was completely silent, she was coming to sit next to me, but barely said a word, she was just staring into the fire. I knew right then she too "felt it".


I will not go too long into what happened next, but what happened to me once I reached the bottom of the abyss was this: Surrender. It is the death of your ego, your mask slipping out, your acceptance of yourself and the world with absolute clarity and no apology. You are who you are and that's all it matters. She did not elevate me to emotional maturity, she broke me so completely that I had to let my identity and ego collapse into dust. There is no more mask here, there is only your true self, with both its light and its shadows, naked in plain sight for everyone to see, you are not hiding anymore, you need or want nothing else than just being in this very moment, unapologetically and this is simply magnetic to other people, they stop "expecting" from you, they just instinctively accept and trust you because you stopped pretending.

And this is the light at the end of the tunnel, is not coming from outside, it's already buried deeply inside you longing to be set free.

So what happened with my wife since that moment? At first she kept up the usual bullshit, I laughed it off genuinely amused by her comments about "my annoying breathing" I just did not give a fuck and replied with sarcasm that destabilized her. Then she started to worry about my psyche thinking I became "bipolar"and I joked about that too exponentially playing that bs labeling into ridiculous jokes, she quickly learned she cannot label me "mentally unstable" because I liberated myself from her abuse.

My depression disappeared, my gastric and bowel problems too, my skin healed, I stand tall again towering over her instead of being curved below her eyes, I cannot walk in a place without getting some girl gasping for air and I now "see" other women's desire and feel open to it, I just do not care about pursuing anything below my standard or validation from anybody. Men are friendly they give me room , people are competing to talk to me. In few weeks I worked out, "lost" weight (In reality I lost some fat, I gained weight but is pure muscles) I kickstarted my business again, found new prospective investors, reconnected with key clients, gathered a team of new people and I am ready to launch a new company with more confidence than I ever had.

I came back to life again.

And my wife came back to me with an intensity that she probably never had. She quit the bullshit, she changed behaviors, she opened up and confessed what was going on while we were engaged just an year after her first betrayal, once she understood deep down I always knew the truth. DDay # 2 she had a romance with her boss at the law firm right before we got engaged, she insist it was mostly looking and flirting by eyes, but one night when they were on the company trip, and they were walking back to the hotel room he grabbed her and kissed her. I discovered that immediately after another girl, prettier, younger took action and took this guy away from her. This guy was the kind of predatory man she was always into: "status" successful (as long as you can call that for a small eastern european law firm, but the toad is the king in his pond), using and dropping women, multiple divorces at his back, many affairs, many office flings. The other girl beat her to him, and even turned him against her, so she was resentful and frustrated even while we were planning my moving there to come to live together, but she felt relief when she saw what happen to this girl after (impregnated, abandoned and ditched like trash after a short while like all the others).

She is slowly realizing that she never truly seen me like a person, I was some kind of a placeholder figure for a role. She is in therapy now, she is avoidant and emotionally unavailable, se is terrified of losing me and she still cannot realize that "you lost me in 2008 when you betrayed me and fucked that guy. All that came after was me trying to resurrect something that was dead long ago, and I paid with my soul the price of it."

I told her everything that was before is gone. Marriage is gone, all was built on a foundation of her lies and choices, and I feel nothing about it, it's fine, but I just must take care of me and our daughter from now on.

And you know what happened? She cried, she experienced the same primal scream from the soul and it replayed up exactly how it happened to me when she betrayed me the first time. Only difference is when she could not breathe and felt like she was going to die I was there and I told her "It's normal, you will not die. It will break you but you will feel better after".

Today she is crazily in love with me, she cannot have enough of me, she confessed her insecurity about my appearance vs her, about my intelligence and drive and that she felt so worthless that she was only feeling accepted when "powerful men" showed interest on her. And she feels disgust with herself because she swears deep down she never felt connected to anybody else like she feels with me.

I am not merciless, but I have no filters. I believe her, she is telling the truth. I am also telling her the truth that I love her, but I am no longer in love with her. She killed that part forever, it is gone. Nothing more can ever be built unless she completely kills that part of her ego that was leading her to make those decisions.

I am not pursuing other women, though I am already plenty of options I have a complete new standard, my true and original one: I will only be with a woman who can give me back what I am able to give her. Unconditional, deep and true connection.

I am offering her a hand because I am in a better place, but I cannot drag her u. Either she can step up and do the work herself, or is just a question of "when" I will walk away, not "if", because I am not blind anymore.

This experience changed me at my core. It was really like coming back from the hell. She is putting in the work, I can see how really hurtful and ashamed she is, and I can see her emotions are the one of the girl "I've seen" on the balcony. But she needs to destroy that fucking mask completely, resolve her traumas and become a truer person, otherwise nothing can ever be built again with her, and all that was built on lies is no more, because it has never been.

Whatever will be our future it will be good for her.
Don't get me wrong, when I say I do not care I do not mean I do not care for her current suffering or her emotions, or I have no emotions: I d feel, I do feel deeper than I ever felt in my entire life. Is just the emotions come in the moment, I feel them stronger than ever, I absorb them and accept them, then they pass. They do not linger, they leave only clear sky behind. I do not care of what others may expect me to be, I can only be myself, like you can only be your true self, anything else is just an act, a pretending facade, a mask hiding your fears.


I do not judge her, but I have my boundaries now, now the boundaries of my old ego, my real self. I need no acceptance from anyone but I wont take disrespect by anyone either. And this made me feel a natural connection with anyone, even strangers feel comfortable in my presence and I feel comfortable in theirs. I discovered I was never asocial or weird, I was prisoner of my traumas like she is prisoner of hers.

I managed to break free and I wish she can do that too.

Because this is the life we were all meant to live, fully.


It was kind of nightmare journey because it felt like hell, and many of you are probably walking the same path down the abyss. But you can become a survivor, survive this trauma, even if you do not see hope right now, I know you will see something you can relate in my story, and do not lose faith in your true being: what happened to you was horrible, was something that kills the souls and the identity. But if it true it was meant to destroy you, it is also true it is meant to make you rise above the ashes, and entering the world without any social mask, but stepping in like you. Because in the end that is all that you truly have and all that truly matters.

If this can help you to feel this tragedy you are living now could lead to a better place, my time in writing this was not wasted.

I felt again every single moment of what I wrote here, things that I never told anyone before now. The pain is still there when you recall the wound. But it fades away right after once you surrender into acceptance. I promise you, if you can take that one step that seem impossible, you will be on "the other side" and you will see this absurd game of betrayal and cruelty for what it truly is: a sad little game of broken egos and traumatized people. Once you see it from the outside, the other side, it does not scare you anymore, you will not be afraid of falling any longer because you know what lies at the bottom now.

And more importantly, you will know you will be again free to love again, and this time without fear.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886104
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 3:57 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

The difficult part to accept about her is, that with anybody else, she is a truly wonderful person. She is caring helpful, empathetic, people who know her would never think she was ever capable of such shit.

She doesn't believe herself and she cannot get to terms about what she did. In her mind everything was having a justification, she blamed me, she even rewritten the event in her narrative and she thought it was me breaking up with her, THEN she met this guy, I was the villain in the story in every affair, whether sexual or emotional, that she had.

Also she was constantly accusing me of betraying her (when I went to a point that she could track me in every moment and I basically gave up entirely my individual social life to let her feel safe. She had one, I became an hermit).

This cognitive dissonance is baffling and I believe is symptom of something deeper.

She can only be abusive with me and our daughter (she only stopped now since my switch) is like she is wired to hurt only the people who love her, and towards the people who are arrogant or abusive to her in her work or social life she is completely submissive and adorant.

Big Irony: one of her best girlfriends, also good friend of mine, she is 3 years in a horrible relationship with a guy, a narcissistic fat asshole who betrayed her many times and destroyed her. Sam story here: it's her fault, she did not give him what he needed, the other girls made him feel powerful and alive, she keeps breaking up with him every time she finds out the net one, he is coming back after a few weeks, manipulating her in backtracking and falling into the web deeper, being kind and sweet for a while then repeating the pattern again... the usual.

My wife, she cannot stand this guy. She hates him, she keeps asking how can someone do that, how horrible he is to our friends, how she is ruining her life keeping falling for this toxic asshole.... And I look at her in disbelief and just told her lately "Why do you ask? You should know, you behaved exactly like him for the longest time".

And she shuts down. We may have trauma and deep pain, but something else lingers in the nerve system of these people who are capable of betraying us with such cruelty: they are in such a big self denial that they dissociate completely from the reality of their choices and action.

They know it's bad deep down, but they still chose it, and they had to rewrite the narrative to be able to look themselves in the mirror.

Food for thought, for me is just a sign she is not ready to truly reconcile with me. And I am fine with it.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 4:03 PM, Thursday, January 8th]

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886111
default

darkdustythoughts ( new member #86807) posted at 4:01 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

This was a hard read. It sounds like you’re justifying cheating on the person who was going to be the mother of your child because it was "true love" with your then-ex, even after she cheated on you and was interfering in your relationship at the time. You tout that you have this moral "code," but do you really?

It’s never too late for IC, brother.

posts: 32   ·   registered: Dec. 7th, 2025
id 8886115
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 4:30 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Darkysdustthought. No I don't. You may have a different understanding of cheating than me, for me is lies and secrecy, doing something behind your back.

Truth can be harsh and brutal, but no matter how uncomfortable I stuck to it. I was fresh into a new relationship with her, matter of few weeks. When my ex showed up I informed her immediately, and told her it was disturbing to me. When my ex tried to come back I informed her again immediately, about my feelings, my conflict and I did not feel it was right what I felt then. There was no secret, no lies. I told her the truth which was painful for both me and her.

We did not plan pregnancy, we were taking it slow (I was and she knew it). The moment my ex wrote me back and I realized I still had feeling for her (which I thought I moved on) I told her immediately and broke up with her. Harsh? Absolutely. Cheating? No, it was the truth, and it was not hidden.

She knew that and she accepted it, like when she confessed about her ex boyfriend and that she wanted time to finish it before starting with me.

I broke her heart when I broke up with her because I was still connected to my ex, no questions about it. I did not lie or hide from her sight, or done anything without informing her.

This story hurt a lot of people, you do that when you are wounded deeply. I probably hurt many women who were hoping to build a connection with me more than I felt capable to offer. That's sad too. I never lied to them either, I was clear, and cut it off if they could not accept it.

You can call it harsh, avoidant, cruel but that's not dishonest.

And yes I have my own code and I only respond to my conscience about that. Like it or not, you will not find many people that will tell it to your face "I don't choose you" or "I do not like you", it might be painful when you get it, but anything else would be dishonesty and cheating. So we DO have a different definition, if you think denying another person what you really feel, or hiding it is preferable to taking the hard decision.

She reached back and I could not deny my feelings. Ignoring that and pretending it didn't happen was a betrayal towards her in my book. I had to tell her and break up the same day, no matter how dear she was becoming.

If I feel something is dishonest I tell you, I don't care how much it hurts me and you, you deserve to get the truth, not to be kept in the dark.

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 4:33 PM, Thursday, January 8th]

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886116
default

darkdustythoughts ( new member #86807) posted at 4:45 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

So… You irresponsibly impregnated someone within a matter of weeks of dating her, then betrayed and hurt her by sleeping with your ex because it felt like "true" love, with no regard for the future of your child. But all of that is supposedly just fine and not unfaithful behavior because you didn’t lie about it or try to hide it?

You could have at least broken it off with your pregnant girlfriend before you slept with your ex. You are in a lot of pain right now, and that is probably something you need to work through before you come to terms with the fact that you’re not really any different from the unfaithful people you’ve encountered in life… That will take some time and a lot of work, but if you want the pure and unadulterated love you describe here, it is definitely something you should do. For yourself, not for anyone else.

posts: 32   ·   registered: Dec. 7th, 2025
id 8886117
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 4:59 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

My friend here. I am not sure if your reading and comprehension here is lacking, if my English was too broken, of you are just trying to gaslighting here.

It is clearly stated that:

- D. reached out for me on Skype with an excuse once, I immediately informed A. that I felt it disturbing. D. was 1600 km away and A. was next to me

- When D. tried to connect back on Skype (the second time) and I felt emotionally conflicted, I immediately called A. and broke up with her. Both girls were 1600 or 1200 km away (me in Italy, them in Poland)

- A. accepted our breakup because she believed I would find closure meeting D. I believed that too. we met 2 months after I broke up with A. and D. tried to connect back (the very same day she reached out to me the second time, I called A. and broke up, again months before I met D. again 'for closure')

- Instead of closure I fell for D. again. So I told both that I was back with D. but I will keep to be friend with A., but with this last one was over.

I cannot fucking see where you ever read I slept with my ex WHILE I was with the new girl and I wonder, what's the purpose you are twisting this story to paint in a different way?

Not that I give a shit, you do you my friend, I do not care.

Edit - and to be clear, it is obvious you are intentionally twisting it, I replied you twice already that I never met my ex while I was with A. (it was online 1600 km away) and the second time she made an attempt to reconcile with me (when both A. and D. where in a different country than I was) I felt emotional conflict and the first thing I did was to call A. tell her and break up with her (by phone which was horrible). Not only I did not sleep with my ex while with A. I did not even allow myself to chat with her. The very instant she wrote "I miss you" and I felt it I picked up the phone and broke up with A.

That's a different universe than sleeping with your ex while you are with another girl. This is intentional gaslighting, I can tell you are not a stupid, please pay the same respect and stop pretending others are ok?

[This message edited by BackfromtheStorm at 5:23 PM, Thursday, January 8th]

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886120
default

darkdustythoughts ( new member #86807) posted at 5:22 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Okay, I went back and I see that I misread. Apologies.

I still think it was irresponsible to knock somebody up, entertain messages from an ex, and then leave her. That child, had it been born, would have grown up in a broken family in the best of cases, or with an absentee father in the worst.

Regardless, therapy is what you need. Good luck.

posts: 32   ·   registered: Dec. 7th, 2025
id 8886123
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 5:46 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

It was an accident, we were taking precautions, not everything is down to irresponsibility.

I told you as well that I was not "entertaining messages from my ex" she reached out twice: once with an excuse for my birthday to make me wishes, which disturbed me but I did not follow up. Twice writing me "I miss you". The very second time I felt it back. Picked up the phone, told A. I still nourish feelings and broke up with her.

I did not control not pursued it. Yes if the child was born I wold have recognized him / her as my legitimate child and provided for him / her to my best. It was my responsibility, accident or not. At the same time I would never be able to be with her mother, even if I was starting to have feelings for her, if my heart was not fully into her, it would have been wrong.

Believe it or not it pains me that the child was not born.

Believe it or not I do not feel any better of people who are capable to betray their partner. I understand them, I am friend with (many) of them, I do not judge them, I do not approve them, I do not offer advice unless asked.

I was hurt deeply by betrayal, and I know the wounds it causes. People who betray are also wounded in a different way, they are not evil monsters (neither my wife is), they are just hurt people.

I cannot set myself to do the same, nor to meddle into couples affair, the very idea of me doing it makes me feel sick, this is personal, I don't feel like I have to explain why I am this way, nor I think it makes me any better of others.

I cannot deny my feelings and I am monogamist when committed, it pains my wife that I lost my love for her and I am receptive to find another partner if she won't be able to change herself and reconcile (the only reason I do not divorce her now is our daughter, she is too young), but my in love feelings for her are gone, our marriage and story was dead since her first betrayal, she only added more on top of that when she got me back. Again I am fully transparent with her: we are like roommates with benefits now.

But I want something more.

Whether she will be the one able to reignite the original feelings or will be another girl I truly do not care. If someone else ever sparks attraction in me I will inform her immediately the same way and from that point on she will be completely cut off emotionally like it happen with her and A. I do not pursue it, I do not need it, but I am no longer closed to that, since I am reclaiming my right to live.


And I was in therapy for years, trust me, what happened to me that evening was a kind of integration that no therapist would ever hope to achieve, but they know it as it is documented very well. Thanks for the concern, but I am truly good, this was a story that I shared with people who are passing through a similar hell, to make them know that there is an end to the pain, even if it does not really look like what one imagines at first, it will regulate you deeply and make you more whole.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886129
default

darkdustythoughts ( new member #86807) posted at 6:39 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

What kind of "precautions?" Was she tracking her cycle? Did the condom break? Did you get her a plan B? It’s really rare for unplanned pregnancy to happen if you layer multiple forms of contraception and use them correctly… Much of the time men just assume the pull out method is good enough, and it definitely is not reliable. We owe it to our children not to bring them into this world accidentally, but rather intentionally and into stable, prepared homes.

If you were happy in the relationship with A and realized you had a hard time telling D off like you normally would, the right thing to do after the first message would be to block her, or at the very least, not respond to further messages from her trying to get you back when you were in a relationship and expecting a child with someone else. The grass is green where you water it. You say you were staunchly against those who were paired and looking outside the relationship, and that you refused to come between paired people… So why did WW’s meddling in your relationship not set off a red flag for you, especially after her first instance of infidelity?

If I understand correctly, now you are saying that you have not completely cut it off with WW, but you are open to meeting and connecting with someone new if she continues on the way she has. Don’t you think it would be better to end it now, and then look for a new relationship? Or allow yourself to be open to new relationships finding you, as you seem to be saying? You said you couldn’t be in a relationship with A if your heart wasn’t fully in it, but your heart seems to no longer be in your marriage. Anyone you meet while married is also likely to be a homewrecker, and clearly that didn’t work out the first time.

And what would happen if you found someone new, and then WW wanted you back and started shaping up? Would you abandon the new relationship to take her back again?

[This message edited by darkdustythoughts at 6:42 PM, Thursday, January 8th]

posts: 32   ·   registered: Dec. 7th, 2025
id 8886132
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 7:57 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

You forget I have a medical background, we had mechanical precaution, it was probably a faulty one, we never had a visibly broken one.

Read again, perhaps my English is not optimal, but I was just starting dating wtih A. when she contacte dme the first time for my birthday, it did put up a red flag, and I told her immediately, and also acknowledged it was disturbing for me, to give her room to decide if to risk going on with someone whose feelings for his ex are not as over as they thought or to keep on. She decided to go on with it.

If you read my story carefully you will see that as I started dating A. it was when my ex resume contact. I told already I was disturbed because I could not tell her my usual "farewell" (rather a "go to hell") like with my previous 2 ex girlfriends. That unsettled me emotionally but since she was still with the OM I forced myself to ignore it and just stayed quiet. The announcement of A. being pregnant came later, almost at the same time when D. wrote the "I miss you" message, maybe I was not clear about it but I never could see her test, I trusted her word because she said so while she was already in Poland. I believe her or it could have been an attempt to bond me closer, like I said it was unexpected because we took precautions and nothing evident ever happened.

That's not the point, the point is if my feelings are not entirely for you then something is terribly wrong. No matter how advanced the new relationship is, true she was healing my wounds and I am grateful for that, but I was not over it and not ready, I just missed the connection I lost and I craved and projected it onto her. This is the point, I was starting to develop feelings but the truth is I wasn't ready to let someone else in yet, it was too fast (the betrayal happened in late February and she contacted me back in Early May, I was with A. just for a few weeks then since she came after the period with all the other girls, it was really just fresh).

Tell me would you like someone to be with you if they still have feelings for another person? I wouldn't. And so I couldn't. Breaking up with her was the right thing to do when I realized that, and her waiting for me to find closure and clarity was also what felt right in the moment, exactly like I demanded from her to do with her ex, when she confessed it.

I can only be with one person, I cannot feel divided or take the best of both worlds. My decision could have led to lose them both, and so be it if that was the fate, we all had it rough but A. could never be my "plan B" as you call it, that is an alien concept to me.

I was still in love with the girl who betrayed me, I did not wanted her back in my mind, but my heart was not aligned with it. It might be hard to understand if you never been there, but it happens a lot to those who get betrayed.

And when you have PTSD and betrayal trauma you are not following logical decisions, your emotions are a fucking mess, you float up and down and cannot really make "sensible choices"the only choice that made sense to me then is I have to be with whom I feel the most, or with no one at all.

So what changed now? I am a trauma survivor, I passed through the hell, I accepted my WW, not judged her, not hated her, just acknowledged, and I accepted too that all that came after was just my desperation trying to resurrect something that was tainted and killed by her first betrayal (and she added more on top right after it).

When you ever reach this stage of regulation and integration (which I truly wish to anyone, whether you are a BS or WS) you see clarity, and things look different. You still think from the perspective of "what I want, what makes sense, what validates the most".
I got past it, it does not matter anymore. There is only here and now and the reality of what I feel for her, the acceptance of who she was and is, of her choices and of what they meant. I care for her but the romantic unconditional love is gone. Because she is still the same person who made those horrible choices and she spent 17 years hiding and lying about those to me, while simultaneously breeding up contempt and disregard for me carrying our relationship weight alone.

If she stays this person and cannot really feel the guilt and accept what she did, nothing ever can be rebuilt with her (she feels deep shame now, but shame and guilt are vastly different, one is selfish self pity, the other is empathy and acknowledgement), what was in the past died back in 2008, when she chose to became this person, following her ego and her trauma down this path, a pattern that is doomed to repeat unless she discards this self destructive ego she built to mask her own traumas. I know her true self and I love that woman, but she is trapped under an armor of avoidance and emotional unavailability, a prison that she created herself to prevent being hurt, but that only ends up hurting those who are closest to her.

She acknowledges this and got into therapy, and she is making progress. Like I said I did not D her because our daughter first (It would be an unnecessary trauma to an already traumatized adoptive child, and on this point I don't give a fuck on anyone's opinion, she deserves to be protected, to have a regulated pair of parents that will heal her, not 2 immature adults that will hurt her more after her biological parents abandoned her. That's why I am here first, and I will defend this with my teeth, I will die on this hill but she will not suffer because of me or her mother). Second I for the first time since the betrayal, see her genuinely making an effot to change herself. She is deeply in love with me now, she rediscovered the initial spark, I know it's real because I observe how her behavior and body language changed so deeply, is not words, the body and behaviors do not lie.

But at the same time I have to tell her the truth: the love she had from me before, absolute and unconditional is dead. She cannot have it back unless she become her true self, the girl I "saw" on the balcony, she will need to break up from her prison and heal from her trauma and broken ego, otherwise we will just reiterate that sick loop one more time.

Part of me hopes she can do it and finally reconcile, but overall whether she does or fails to, it's fine either way, I do not really care. What happens if I meet someone else? You cant believe there is no longer any planning or any anxiety about my emotional future, I live only in the present so this is what it looks like: will that happen? Ok, my wife will know it immediately (and even the roommates with benefits part will be definitively over), the new woman will know, if she wants a future with me she will have to accept that my daughter comes first and I am not breaking her family until she is grown enough to understand it. Again this is take it or leave it, it is fine I have no attachment to any other outcome, it will work out.

I have no needs to pursue or search for another woman, but I am not a hermit any longer, I live my life, meet people, notice the effect I have on others, and I am not closed to new connection. So this is just a question of time, whatever will be we will be.

My wife will manage to heal and reconcile before I meet someone? Good, then I am open to get her back into my world.

The point is dramatically simple: there is space for one significant person in your life, he or she must meet you at this very point in time, is here and now and building from there, truth is there is no "if, when, or what if..." those are construct we make ourself that lead people to betray or be betrayed. You might not see it yet, but is being self centered and having expectations that others must match to mend your own wounds.

My wounds were deep enough to kill that part of me forever, the mask, the expectation, I have those no longer, nor I need them or miss them. When you get out of a deep trauma this is the clarity you will finally see: there is you and there is others, some will be ready to meet you where you are now, some will be in the future, some never. It's just fine. Your dreams and expectation to have them match your wish it sounds romantic but is just a wounded pinch of narcissism that lives inside our insecure self.

The path is yours, and you are good just how you are. You can welcome other people walk on your side during your life journey, that goes for friend, family and romantic lovers, but you can never force them, the best you can do is accept your true self and dropping any defense or expectation, just accept that somebody will not be ready to walk the road with you, but most definitively those who will be will find you someday. And that's just fine.

This is the deepest message of my story, you are focusing on wounded behaviors from broken people that might seem important to you now, but they are really in the end, irrelevant. Is not the wounds you should be analizing and looking for answers, is a healed an complete you that matters the most, and if you can reach that, the pain will fade, and you will simply accept others for who they are without fear.

And being through this dark place myself I am sure that those who are still lost in their personal hell, need to know there is an end to it, is not glamorous, is not validating, it's beyond all that stuff that we spedn our lives worrying about. Is just quiet peace. And you will feel it when you get there.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886138
default

Pogre ( member #86173) posted at 8:16 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Yeah, I have a bit if an issue with knocking a girl up, making plans to move her in, then dump her when your cheating ex skypes you. I dunno man. "I broke up with her first" seems kinda flimsy to me because you were in what appears to be a committed relationship and there was a pregnancy involved. I mean, you did imply you were meeting her up for "closure." You had a child on the way and future plans. Why didn't you just reject the call?

Where am I going... and why am I in this handbasket?

posts: 381   ·   registered: May. 18th, 2025   ·   location: Arizona
id 8886142
default

sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 8:45 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

You may have a different understanding of cheating than me, for me is lies and secrecy, doing something behind your back.

On SI we know that lies and secrecy are usually a big part of betrayal, but they tend to come only after boundaries are crossed. IOW, crossing boundaries even without lies is often a betrayal of some sort.

You've used lots of words, so many that I'm not sure if you crossed boundaries or not. You certainly took up with a woman as revenge, and I believe you were old enough that you can't use 'my brain was still immature' as an excuse. And you told her of your boundaries even while you probably were violating them.

You gave us 15,000 words in your 1st 2 posts. That's 5-10 analysis stories in good newspapers (Times of London or New York. The number of words obscures your point. In fact, I'd bet that the number of words caused many, if not most, readers to lose interest and never get to your point.

Umberto Eco used a lot of words, but I suspect he could have told us what he wanted to say in words that a 6 year would have understood. I wonder if you could rewrite so a 6 year old could understand what you want to communicate. Can you do that. I think it would help readers on SI.

*****

What sort of responses did you hope to read?

[This message edited by SI Staff at 9:24 PM, Thursday, January 8th]

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex apDDay - 12/22/2010Recover'd and R'edYou don't have to like your boundaries. You just have to set and enforce them.

posts: 31564   ·   registered: Feb. 18th, 2011   ·   location: Illinois
id 8886143
default

Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 8:59 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

I am a social worker in the US. You have probably suffered from reactive attachment disorder. The first 3/4 years of our lives set us up for happiness or sadness. That is the simplest description. It means you could not truly bond to your mother because she never let you. As a doctor you can heal broken bones and cuts but your inner self was just as damaged.

Before you try to find a deep relationship use therapy to have one with yourself.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

posts: 4803   ·   registered: Mar. 5th, 2018   ·   location: US
id 8886144
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 9:30 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Pogre - I find it somewhat fascinating that the entire focus this story is getting is not on the betrayal trauma, how low it destroys you and how there is hope to heal, but apparently it sways it to details of the story to shift its weight.

Okay so why don't you have any issue with all other girls? I just had sex with them, told her I am emotionally unavailable and dating other girls, even if they were in love with me I was merciless to them. I was clear since the start, "take it or leave it". That was just as cruel form my side. Why do you ignore them?

Apparently you understood I intentionally got her pregnant, while we took precautions and there was no visible clue they ever failed to cause it. She was far away when she notified me, the same time when my ex was connecting back. I believed her as a marrer of trust but I cannot exclude was her attempt to bind me closer because she was afraid I still wasn't over her when she first contacted me just shortly before she flight back to Krakow.

I have no idea if you were betrayed by your spouse and you know how it feels, she did not just have an affair she dumped me in the most horrible way a person can do to their partner for the OM. I wanted to erase her from my memory, I was panicking to get busy and meet as many other girls as I could just so I could not have a second of silence where the memories of her would come back torturing me. If you read instead of breezing through the story, you surely would have picked up that the only reason I contacted A. (which I did not plan to) was because in the end my desperate dating life was quickly feeling hollow and empty, and the thoughts of D. were sneaking in. She happened to be the missing link between the betrayal and my return back to crash just because she happened to be both Polish and at the airport when I landed back that damn day.

I did not wanted to pursue her and I did not expected to develop feelings for her, I could not understand back then as I do now that it was the projection of a broken person onto another desperately trying to silence the pain.

My story describing the choices and the self destructive loop that brought me to lose my own self respect, carrying the blame of the betrayal and then accept what was not a genuine reconciliation and re entering the same loop is NOT about validating the actions of a BS or a WS or to condemn them, quite the opposite: I wanted to highlight that what feels like healing while you are sinking is not really healing and integration, is self soothing of your own wounds, and it does not necessarily calm the pain, but can cause even more pain and regret. Replacing the person who traumatized you is not so easy as it seems, if that worked for you, great. For me it did not.

Flimsy you say? As I explained already, I call bullshit on that judgement, is superficial and self centered. Tell me you really will keep on staying with a new partner if you realize you have still feelings for the one who betrayed you just 2 months ago? Even if you liked her and was starting to feel safe with her, will you bullshit her and lie and hide to her where your heart truly is?

You want to take the high road here, but I call that attitude like it truly is: betrayal. That is literal emotional cheating, no matter if you keep it hidden to your new partner, if you still feel for the BS and keep it hidden to your new partner then congratulation: you are now a Wayward partner.

Does it suck that I dumped her and broke her heart? Yes. Was it cruel? Yes. Was it "flimsy? No. It take balls to tell the truth when the truth is harsh and uncomfortable. And doing anything else would just be a flat out betrayal of her, her trust, her dreams of a future together right from when it started.

You may have acted differently thank me in my shoes, that's on your own conscience. And maybe today she would be here on this forum telling her story about her DDay about your emotional affair with you WS when you freshly started your relationship back in 2008. Does that feels better to you? I disagree. It fucking sucks, I would have become my WS right then if I denied my feelings and kept the charade up. The moment I felt for my ex when she texted that "I miss you" I had to break up with A.

Why didn't I reject the call (text message really)? Well I am sure you will find plenty of this illogical situations from BS here, there is no logic, there is no planning when emotions and trauma destroy you. You try to find logic into a broken person, but there is none, there is just regret and pain in that moments.

Logic and emotions rarely align when you are traumatized. The fact I describe here is because I am after my personal journey in hell, and I can see in hindsight what it happened, what I did, and why did I made choices that ended up poisoning my life and falling back into hell again, leading to more betrayals from the WS, and living in denial and lies for 17 years, something that costed me everything.

I find it funny that instead of relating and getting out the positive message of the way out from a disturbing story (like many I read here) the focus I seen until now is shifting the blame from this person or the other (I truly do not give a fuck about accusations or gaslighting on my person, mind that, I failed and hurt A. I failed myself again, but I did not betray or lie her ever, on the contrary, your suggested behavior would actually recommend that the ideal solution was to become a cheater myself to A. No thanks, I stand my ground, you do that if you feel like, I am good).

Now I said what I had to, I am sure it would be of relief to someone who is suffering right now. About these latest few comments who clearly did not read with care but felt compelled to twist the narrative into a blame game -> there is no worse deaf that someone who does not want to listen (or read in this case), so how about I provide you some further cherry picking just for fun?

- How about I kept in touch with A. after I got back with my WS as a friend over the years (I was transparent and clear with the WS about it, and with A. that it was over and we were just friends, but you can ignore it like you ignored the rest)
- You could attack the fact that I felt she had someone going on while I left my life to move to her, so here you go, attack again the "I am not meddling between two paired people" (she was cheating again on my back and she only admitted it this november, but I am sure you can gliss over that and twist it)
- How about dating 11 girls at once? You can label it infidelity and hypocrisy (fits the standard you showed until now, just keep ignoring that I was straight telling each single one of them, no exclusivity no commitment, I see others and that's how it is)

Or make up one yourself, I think after all you have the skill to twist a story in the way to fit your narrative right? Well I value my time and effort enough to stop responding to such short and superficial nonsense, I do not judge others, but if you think about a second that I give a damn about your superficial judgements when you are clearly not even reading carefully, you are mistaken.

So you do you and enlighten on the "right"way to keep a relationship while you are still emotionally involved with another person (aka Emotional Betrayal), I won't pick more provocations up from those who cannot read, but for sure it will be educational for many here to hear that point of view.

I will be open to answer questions about the healing part and what changed to get over the trauma, because I am more interested in that if it can help someone to heal from their own.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886147
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 10:01 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

Sissoon - thank you for a constructive feedback. I agree I used a lot of words, but it was not because I wanted to obscure my point, but because I feel now comfortable to share what was my own personal nightmare, in details, with my own clarity.

I could have limited to share my pain and experience and disruption. True that would have use far less words (and probably less mistake in English) and would have been an easier read. It would have also been comfortable to "play" the victim role.

But that was not my goal as I stated. I no longer feel need for comfort or sympathy for what I endured. I seen the bottom and clawed back my way to life again after my best years of youth were sacrificed to emotional abuse and betrayed love. I am an adult today, and I healed from those wounds. So I can look at it back clearly, and seeing that both what happened to me and how I reacted back then where all symptoms tied to a deeper root that people do not normally see while experiencing this trauma.

And I wanted to narrate the journey to tell that I found way out of it, something I would have killed to have back when I was spiraling into the abyss.

One thing I must correct you:: I did not took on a woman as revenge. I was desperately alone and crushed back then, I was hoping that I could find relief in someone, while I was yet in the thick of the betrayal trauma, that was no revenge nor a solution, I just ended up hurting myself and others more in the process. And this is another thing that you may desperately crave in that moment, but you should be warned before pursuing.

I could try to rewrite it eventually (it was free styled writing without any preparation and I did not ever told this story to another soul before now), it will require some work and time but if it can be helpful, I will try to find time for it.

- This is the kind of constructive feedback I was hoping for so thank you for it -

- Cooley2here

I hear you and I agree with it. I think I developed an early anxious attachment style, and I was attracted to avoidant and emotionally unavailable women. I realized this alone and I could clearly see it the moment of my switch and surrender.

As I told that is the key point you need to reach to truly find your center and regulation. You must drop your defenses, your narrative your expectations. Only then you can simply become the person you were always meant to be.

I now find deep relationships everywhere, with anyone, not speaking of a new romantic one, but I can connect deeper with people, including my WS, and it is helping her to see herself in the mirror (unpleasant but she feels the pull to change herself, there was no pushing it comes naturally).

I am talking of emotional regulation, the kind that influences others to co-regulate with you. This is very important for me because my presence now regulates my wife and she regulates my daughter naturally (she still need to work on herself to achieve self regulation, right now she is only when I am present, when I am away is easy for her and our child to lose it and disregulate). Therapy tries that and helps to teach you techniques on how to achieve it (as I said I went through therapy for years, it was not the solution in my case, but I know your suggestion comes form a good place).

What I tried to tell here is that it can become natural, no techniques needed, just complete surrender. It looks very easy once you get there, but it seemed impossible before it happened. But it is a real thing, is not fiction, you can reach a point where you can feel emotions clearly and they pass without leaving clouds behind. You became calm, collected and peaceful, because your boundaries are natural and your emotions are no longer hidden.

And I believe this can be only a good thing for anyone who went through these experiences.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886150
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 11:08 PM on Thursday, January 8th, 2026

- sissoon
Sorry but I missed that part, I like to address it here for clarity:

You certainly took up with a woman as revenge, and I believe you were old enough that you can't use 'my brain was still immature' as an excuse. And you told her of your boundaries even while you probably were violating them.

I am at a loss where you came to this conclusion, if you can point it out I will clarify (or correct it when I rewrite the story)

What exactly was crossing my boundaries? Do you refer to the girls I was dating with "I am seeing other women and I want no emotional connections"

Or you point to that I allowed myself to get emotional with A. when those "relationship" felt hollow and the pain of trauma was coming back again?

Please point it out I will explain myself better

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886157
default

longsadstory1952 ( member #29048) posted at 2:45 AM on Friday, January 9th, 2026

I’m sorry but why is this on the JFO forum?

posts: 1225   ·   registered: Jul. 14th, 2010
id 8886175
default

 BackfromtheStorm (original poster new member #86900) posted at 8:50 AM on Friday, January 9th, 2026

I’m sorry but why is this on the JFO forum?

Because my wife about 2 months ago started to admit to additional betrayals after our first reconciliation in 2008. Then later another one. Then another one. Until the last one I just found out days ago.

7 up to now, but I suspect there might be more.


I just added the entire journey from hell to clarity, without avoiding my part in taking responsibility for what happened and the wrong choices you may take when you are hurting.

posts: 11   ·   registered: Jan. 7th, 2026   ·   location: Poland
id 8886186
Cookies on SurvivingInfidelity.com®

SurvivingInfidelity.com® uses cookies to enhance your visit to our website. This is a requirement for participants to login, post and use other features. Visitors may opt out, but the website will be less functional for you.

v.1.001.20251009a 2002-2026 SurvivingInfidelity.com® All Rights Reserved. • Privacy Policy